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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

whether you call bullshit or not, the facts are the facts - unions, right now, are destroying vast expanses of corporations - not that the unions are the only reason of course, but are certainly a major culprit - it is, however, your right to disagree.


a few golden parachutes here and there are basically a drop in the bucket when compared to the union coffers, their wage greed, and absolute unwillingness to be realistic. i am not condoning the actions of some ceo's, but to compare that to the union problem is a bit misguided and naive on your part.

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2009-08-13 02:43:00

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

niave? Hardly. I think it is you that is niave ny friend. AND not all unions are bad either. I'll take a journeyman electrician over some Joe F'n schmoe who learned all bout lectricity from back on the farm.

I understand what you're saying but then I also see they just don't always have the power you seem to think. My ex brother in law was a union railroad mechanic. About a decade ago they were talking about striking because the reailroad gave this sweet medical package to upper and middle management and the workers didn't get close to the same. Guess what happened - NOTHING. Or the local power line workers, I forgot what they were asking for but it was very reasonable and the power company spent BANK in glossy flyers etc. to fight it. Just know that these people you are defending will sell your ass out in a second.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

I dont think i said ALL unions are bad (i thought i wrote that clarification, but i dont remember now so could be wrong). And I by no means wish to defend all big corporations. I am simply being argumentative, even though i do agree that i am a bit anti-union (on a certain level).

i would have thought you knew me by now and my philosophy that arguing for the sake of arguing can be a form of entertainment. and using hyperbolic statements is just a fun way to ratchet up the fun factor a bit.

anyways.......

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

relax will you? I'm not all bent out of shape. Just a friendly discussion that I don't think I started but always have to chime in just like yourself. Trust me, I deal with extreme righties everyday up here, I can take it.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Believe it or not,here I am snobbed at as being an extreme whitty because I vote Jen-Marie Le Pen to stop invasion of millions more immigratios that even the most relax deadhead would't want near his doorstep .In the sixties ,the same sort of snobs though I was too extreme lefty anarchist .If I was rich,they would only say I am an interesting original personality . I trust my onw opinions and I can also change opinions when I think it is relevent to do so . After all no one is perfect knowing it all on all subjects otherwise thy'd be nothing new to learn about,yes ?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 25, 2009 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Mentos commercial!

That is where you escaped from!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 25, 2009 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mentos commercial!

Pass the diet coke and stand well clear!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Go on my friend,your arguments have a lot more style than the filthy mouth NC!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

I won't try to reason with JOTS because it's like trying to screw a tadpole but be sure to bring up the fact that labor unions (which I was once part of) were created before labor laws were created to address the grievances brought by said union.

Child labor, overtime, etc... all protected by law now. So now they hold employers hostage and ship jobs overseas...

Just like civil rights movement, it was valid before CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS? Get it? You cannot lynch a black person anymore, you go to jail for murder, get it? You cannot discriminate against someone (unless they are a white male) you will get sued. The laws were created thanks to the original good intentions of these movements that like everything else has turned into a business, then a racket.

Women's suffrage movement is no longer needed so why are these other leeches still extorting us? They need this strife to be in business. If they did their jobs they would eliminate the need for themselves... oh wait that already happened.

Boycott the unions, boycott these fools who exploint the worst side of humanity for their own gains.

If they cannot "get it" and listen to reason, we may have to create a new country. I have tried to reason with people on this but they do not listen. They just call you racist and say bush was hitler and other empty talking points.

Who needs them?

PS we were all agreeing for awhile before he went off the deepend and started with personal insults so I will never directly address him again. If he is an old fart, he sure acts like a child.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"They need this strife to be in business."

you could not be more correct in that assessment NC. it should be self-evident, and i could not have said it more succinctly myself.

Unions are HUUUUUUGE business!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

" overtime, etc... all protected by law now. So now they hold employers hostage and ship jobs overseas... "

Actually if you look at right to work State law you might find that not everything is as protected as you think. And some of the jobs sold overseas are non union jobs because it's easier. I didn't make any personal attacks either, Dire called me Niave and I stated my opion that I thought that he was.

I'm glad you're not going to respond to me. I'll do the same.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 14, 2009 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, I will take back my childish comment about you being childish... two wrongs don't make a right.

I live in a right to work state, there are low corporate taxes and little union representation. That is why companies come to Florida, aside from the tax advantages.

Funny, we have no state income tax, few unions, few tollbooths, and even with lots of illegal immigrants; we are still somehow able to be less broke than CA.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 14, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

funny our two States have a lot in common. Except my State has oil revenue and recieves a ton of Federal money. I don't think it has anything to do with our labor laws in our case why we're so far escaping this mess.

I'm glad we're being civil.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"the facts are the facts - unions, right now, are destroying vast expanses of corporations - not that the unions are the only reason of course, but are certainly a major culprit"

That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely.

For example, the myth of the $70/hr GM worker, which included management, the retired and all benefits. See http://mediamatters.org/columns/200811250012?f=h_column.

One little item also helps: General Motors spent $4400 per car on advertising, while Toyota spent $1100. Instead of killing the electric car they should have made green car and cleaned up in many ways all over the world.

Now why wouldn't Detroit do that?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely."


dont bury your head in the sand to ignore the stark reality.

(no offense intended, btw)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

>>"That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely."


dont bury your head in the sand to ignore the stark reality.>>>

A nice way to support claims is to throw in some illustrative facts or examples. It appears you have none.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

being omnipotent, i find it difficult playing with others

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 13, 2009 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Being impotent hinders that as well

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

lol !!

(your words speak truth Mr. NC)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 14, 2009 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Call me Senator NC. I have had a lot of plastic surgery and conflicts of interest to get where I am.

Thank you,